So take care of this problem. Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Thank you very much for being here. Thanks for your call. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. Well I can't tell you what you saw. Yeah I did. All of that remains unanswered but it is an extremely interesting question. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Here it is. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. Patrick Tate: No downward pressure at all I think actually Sean turned up and we found the evidence there a number of people would finally say finally we can put this debate to bed. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. Peter Biello: Oh okay. Peter Biello: Well hey Rob. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there. There was a lot of DNA evidence. As far as I could tell there was a positive DNA sequence coming from the scat sample Patrick. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. Or years or so. Numerous scat and fur specimens have been turned in as part of mountain lion report investigations; DNA identification has shown these submitted samples to be from domestic dog, coyote, bobcat andraccoon. Thank you. However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. Now that to me seemed to indicate that they had done the secondary workup that in my opinion proved the existence of probably a disperse or possibly from South Dakota like the one in 2011. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. Caller: I cannot recall or see the tail in my in my image of it. Sandy Hodskins, owner of West Meadow Farm in Bradford, New Hampshire, took time from shoveling Wednesday to enjoy the snow with her horse, West Wind. Think you've seen a mountain lion? The American Lion The Saber tooth Tiger and this was the one that survived. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. Mike Guyton pressure was almost Greyhound like very muscular large back legs on it and the coloration on it was almost an orange brownish orange color and so I stop and I look at this thing in the field and as the animal looks at me the face was very chiseled definitely not a bobcat. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. So so. Over a period of a year and a half, this Mountain Lion left DNA evidence in at least four states. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. Mountain lions don't usually travel more than 100 miles from where they are born. Deer Bear Moose Grey Wolf Coyote Foxes Fisher Mountain Lion NH Wildlife History. From came from out west they tracked it all the way back to the Black Hills in the Dakotas. Want to report a Mountain Lion sighting in New Hampshire? Right. And it's not really strong. But before I go any further I want to say we do not have sufficient game. It all used to be based on measurable physical traits color, skull size, paw size, etc but now its based on whether an animal can be shown to be genetically distinct from others. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. From involving members in projects as local as cleaning up an area park or as far-reaching as bringing sight to the world's blind, Lions clubs have always . Sue Morse: First and foremost if you have color or if you could see details of color look at the front of the face around the Pumas muzzle the muzzle itself is pure white. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. You saw what you saw. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! Want to put this to to Patrick Tate who may have heard some some info or info from listeners like you about these these these cats. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. Early in the morning. Patrick Tate: Yeah yeah. Hunting is legal, but closely regulated by the state. Really appreciate it. Is this kind of a typical story. About Us Media Kit Calendar of Events Volunteer Visit Learn Events Membership Support Your Visit BUY TICKETS Know Before You Go Directions and Information Our Animals Live Animal Exhibit Trail Hours and Admission Calendar of Events Caller: It had to be a mountain lion convinced I was about 30. It's bigger but bigger and better world. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. How far were you from this cat. Course like Sue said you have to see it and it's not always that visible. DNA from scat or from fur, a clear track that is confirmed by an expert, or a photo that clearly shows a mountain lion. Are there Mountain Lions in NH? And now that everyone and their mother has a remote camera in their back yard its just so, so unlikely that there are resident, breeding mountain lions in New England that are living invisibly among us, he says, Its become Big Foot.. Why are there so many false positives? Contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. And we want to know your stories if you have them 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 or email exchange at an HP bar dot org we'll talk about conspiracy theories when we come back. Thank you very much for listening. OK. That location they just described we had two or three Bobcats radio collared on just off the runway in Laconia airport. Caller: I have yeah. WMUR uLocal: On this trail cam video, an unidentified feline is spotted. Caller: Hey guys how you doing. Theyve always said when we have verifiable evidence to say a mountain lion has been, is, or was in the state that wed acknowledge that and give that information out, says Pat Tate, the furbearer biologist with New Hampshire Fish and Game, who insists theres no conspiracy. If youve got photo trap evidence of a Mountain Lion, send it in, and we'll send it along to the appropriate state or federal agency! Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. Patrick Tate: Exactly I was gonna bring that up juvenile male of. Do we have native species that could have exhibited this type of behavior leaving leaving a deer carcass up in a tree. You treat it as if it's a sincere situation. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction. I have one that's more elaborate than that. So you want identifiable backgrounds. The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. The number 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 so promised a discussion about conspiracy theories. However the scarring on the trees did not and the angles were off. Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. Peter Biello: The number is 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Peter Biello: Well I want to ask Patrick about one of these stories a few years ago you had a story about someone who claimed to. Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. Using DNA and physical evidence, state environmental officials said they determined that the animal. Something along those lines. Peter Biello: And that will make identification for a layperson rather difficult. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. So what a neat experience. Can you tell us about that story. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. Let's look for other evidence. One was in Shelton. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. Your support makes this news available to everyone. So I don't understand really how how this this idea came to be but it is the main reason why folks believe that fishing game is is covering up the fact that there are mountain lions in the state again with no evidence. Verifiable pictures recorded by the observing person or a trail camera. Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. Post your sightings and NH photos here! Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. The current estimate is 2,000 - 2,700 throughout Arizona. Every other Friday on Morning Edition NHPRs Sam Evans-Brown tracks down answers to questions about the environment and outdoors for our listeners in a segment we call Ask Sam.. They're just moving around freely. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. A 140-pound male mountain lion was hit by a car and killed in 2011 in Milford, Connecticut. And it came out we could see it had and we could see its long swooping tail. But if you do if you think you're looking at a wild Puma their tail is very thick and especially in the winter is very thick and ponderous looking. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. Sunny today high temperatures low to mid 80s it'll be clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s for tomorrow sunshine with high temperatures mid to upper 80s. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. I'm gonna send you a letter that we researched this report and we spoke with those labs and the lab wrote in their letter to us that they could only say that Scott contained white Tea Party fur and that they could not say what deposited the scout because it's far too degraded listeners we'd love to hear from you about your mountain lion sightings if you have seen one or if you if you think you have give us a call we'd love to hear your story 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. GAP MOUNTAIN LIONS CLUB Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire (USA) District 44-N . Caller: It had just left that field and was out. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting By Elysia Rodriguez Published August 11, 2015 A southern New Hampshire neighborhood believes a mountain lion is roaming the woods near their homes. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. So I would put this in the category of sort of like shark attacks right. And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. There are corollaries in other states. Lots of people have stories about them, people have them on their game cameras I mean its kind of a thing. Phone number 1 800. These were normal everyday folks. Absolutely there are a lot of folks out there who for some reason need to create something that raises a stir and gets the attention of the media etc.. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Rick van de Poll: Absolutely. They kill big animals. 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. This is where things start breaking down when you so I get pictures with this great description and one of my favorite stories is a great description what the witness and then so I called the witness and wanted information from them and the person says What are you talking about. You're on the air. I'll send it to you. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. WMUR NH Chronicle Mountain Lions in NH Part I and Part II. So hey, just me shooting from the hip, maybe there are a couple mountain lions skulking about. So it's there was no question in my mind. And those are not the same things. Well Is DNA the most reliable means we have of identifying whether or not what we saw is actually a mountain lion. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. There's just one subspecies of North American mountain lion. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. So one thing I'll add. Sam Evans-Brown: And when we talk about subspecies this actually leads to to an interesting tangent which is that the field of biology recently has been sort of revolutionized by the use of DNA to determine what subspecies are. Tell us your story. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. From: Boomerdog in OK 08-Oct-07 So if you were to ask me has a mountain lion ever passed through New Hampshire and been spotted by somebody who wasnt able to get hard evidence? Id personally be willing to say "probably, yes.". Yes. So give us a call now. The book MAMMAL TRACKS & SIGN by Mark Elbroch has pictures of mountain lion scat found at a multiple beaver kill. Reports without physical evidence are not dismissed, however Fish and Game cannot verify a sighting report without physical evidence. I just saw the head and the tail that was leaving. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us. Peter Biello: Worth mentioning if we're scaring anybody question a mysterious mountain lions lurking perhaps in someone's backyard. Thank you. Incredible sighting and I called him the fish and game and they immediately sent me to a website to look at all the bobcat pictures. Love hearing these stories. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. New Hampshire Public Radio | Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. That's next time on one day. Chartered 1973; Member of District 44-H; . I don't know if she still is. Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. So that that's more or less I think why I'm here and why I got into this in nineteen ninety nine I found a what appeared to be a print of a mountain lion and that was in the Osprey mountains and I thought well OK that's that's a print. Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take. They are the same thing. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. So now what's going on. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. He writes As a farmer I come across many outdoorsman looking to hunt our property had a conversation with one who believed very strongly that we had mountain lions in New Hampshire. Since 1917, Lions clubs have offered people the opportunity to give something back to their communities. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. I'm Peter B yellow. So I know it's another unconfirmed report but you string enough of these together. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. nh.gov | privacy policy | accessibility policy Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. The way that we define species has undergone a revolution with the advent of DNA testing. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. brings a lot of. I just want to tell you a story that I read. He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium. Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. Peter Biello: They make great mascots at least. And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. Were there any differences between these two that we could have noticed right off. And really whenever you hear tiny code and long rope like tale it's kind of hard to pin this sighting on any other creature rather than an outline or just nothing else really matches that description. It is also known as cougar, panther, mountain lion, and puma, though catamount is the preferred regional vernacular. Do you want to see real, living mountain lions that do exist in New Hampshire. Caller: So I've been telling this story for five years or so and very few people believe me. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. Information that weed family automotive dot com sunny for today high temperatures low to mid 80s clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s tomorrow sunny highs in the upper 80s. Mountain lions (especially males) have incredibly large ranges that they defend from rivals. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. Fear for others and those two polarizing opinions on the situation is what I believe brings out mystique and Sam you know I take kind of a long view on this. Updated: 9:53 AM EST Dec 6, 2016. They used to roam the entire continent, but have become extinct in most US states. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. Caller: Hi. But no proof was offered. If so that's for us as an agency. I looked at the picture and asked me what do you see in the picture and I wrote back. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. 44-H Links. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. Fish and Game then deny the evidence. And you know it's rather interesting because certainly there are those you as a case of mistaken identity or they wanted to see something that perhaps they actually didn't. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. List of Mountains in New Hampshire is a general list of mountains in New Hampshire, with elevation.This list includes many mountains in the White Mountains range that covers about a quarter of the state, as well as mountains outside of that range.. Patrick Tate: Okay. Peter Biello: Hmm. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. Well let's hear from from Sue Morse again science director for the organization keeping track. However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax. As wildlife biologists, wed be fascinated to say 'look look what was found in our state.'. John thanks. And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. Mountain lions leave a lot of sign. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center All exhibit and hiking trails are CLOSED for the season. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. Right. Caller: And the more I thought about it the color of it it was definitely not a bobcat. And I I have this great text history of New Hampshire game and fir bears and I think by Helen Silver who used to work for fish and game and she sort of I kind eyes this animal in one of the quotes from 1892 stating that the catamaran was the most ferocious of all the wild beasts of New Hampshire his great size strength and agility of movement together with his formidable weapons rendered him the terror both of man and beast. Erler is a senior naturalist at the Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness. Peter Biello: Or send us an email exchange at an HP board. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. for some excitement. Rick shaking his head so Rick now correct me please. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. Is there something particularly hospitable about New Hampshire Forests that make them want to come here. So let's let's go to the phones. It doesn't happen as much anymore. N.H. What's going on. What gets confusing is when you have a large adult animal and a smaller juvenile animal of a different species you can now step start beginning talking about overlapping body weights and sizes. The trouble with accepting every reported sighting as a confirmed mountain lion is that there are so many mistaken identifications. Sam Evans-Brown: I just want to say the bang and word you just heard I think to me exemplifies why it's really hard to come up with with positive you know 100 percent certain evidence that you've that what you've got is a mountain lions. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails.
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