The prices go higher and higher and they will copy better and better to take part on this. Scabbard retains around 70% of the original paint. This is pure fiction. Well am hoping mine is genuine - also just realised I should've actually started my own thread - apologies, Great lets see what you got, in your own post lol. There are a few small nicks on the edge of the blade, but they are hard to photograph. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. For definitions of terms, check the visual glossary page. Required fields are marked *. It's a huge tell tale. Sure, there's lots of other details like proof marks to look for, but these 5 things are just glaringly obvious and easy to see in pictures, and one or more seems to be on every single repro sword out there, so they're quick and easy ways to ID fakes. All Images and Text Copyright 2003-2023 International Military Antiques Inc. All Rights Reserved. Ivory has a distinctive grain. 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By Your email address will not be published. Many of the better If there is a tang stamp (see the military sword page for examples) on the nakago, up close to the blade collar (habaki), it is a WW II era sword - these are arsenal stamps. A new sword was pointed out to me recently which is very well made and in fact at first glance addresses a lot of the issues with obvious fakes. He didn't hide anything said he was sending them back to ChinaAt the end of the show he had bags fullhe looked like ' Buckin Bronco ' carrying them away ! None of the replicas have this feature. Many people tend to believe that if a sword The matching serial numbers indicate the sword was taken off Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Grain (hada) is sometimes difficult for beginners to recognize. Most sword canes were produced in the late 19th Century - early 20th Century. the mounts can be interesting with hidden, spring loaded, pop out guards. Something went wrong. The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo or old wood sticks. In Germany you got now only fake Gunto. This is a blatant fake, which you should keep well away from. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Japanese Arisaka Type 99 Last Ditch Complete Bolt With Matching Serial Numbers at the best online prices at eBay! Something changed in the last 6 months. Grain does not determine age. Never use force to remove the handle.) Check the military sword page for examples of WW II era The best place to look is at the serial Numbers. 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The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people, like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. I have NO idea what that belt hanger is supposed to be. Bone tanto and swords (see below) fall into this group. Most WW II era blades are not sharpened all the down to the habaki (collar). Here is a decent fake Stu W. posted over on WAF. About eBay; Free shipping for many products! remounted in samurai type mounts by collectors. Modern replicas may look like antique swords; be it a tachi, katana, wakizashi or tanto. This prevents the sword from falling when the soldier is running. Number of bids and bid amounts may be slightly out of date. That is an important part of identifying the authenticity of an NCO. kink one side but is overall very good for its age; the locking The blade is quite bright and, while there are some scratches and spots, there are no cracks, chips, or rust. Do not undertake to dis-assemble a sword unless you know what you are The blade on this copy above is not made bad in my opinion and it becomes better. There are numerous varieties of items made in the 20th Century as Close up and of kissaki and bohi termination is a must. NCO's sword, Kokura arsenal stamp. 20062021 Nihonto Message Board No habaki. The condition of this sword is very good, with only some light surface staining. There should be no characters etched on the blade, just a serial number. The serial number should be near the bottom of the . The serial number should be near the bottom of the blade, just above the habaki. Etchings. 100 % newly made. Learn how your comment data is processed. The condition of this sword is very good, with only some light surface staining on the blade. Free shipping. If the blade is not sharp all the way to the habaki does not assure it is a WW II era blade, but is WW II is just ridiculous.They HAVE genuine ones to copy. Legal Notice - International Military Antiques, Inc observes all Federal, State and local laws. The blades are very straight and thin and often have significant flaws. on a single criteria. The scabbard is painted the correct green color, and the spacing from the top to the hanging ring is the correct 3 inches. These items are purchased for the quality of the carving only. It is said that during battle soldiers would not use the ring but rather would stick the sword through the belt the same way as the Samurai in ancient times. By the way, the MILLIONS of copy ROLEXS have not slowed the demand for the real thing, or stopped prices rising. Short fuller. Save japanese type 95 sword to get e-mail alerts and updates on your eBay Feed. Typical WWII Imperial Japanese Army style fittings, with a single suspension ring from the scabbard, known as the "New Military Sword" (shin guntou) style. The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo Truly disappointing. Your link has been automatically embedded. Blade is 26.5 inches long, with an overall length of 36.5 inches. Of the eight army arsenals active in the war only Kokura, Tokyo First and Nagoya were involved in the Type 95 program. Sword canes (Shikomi-zue) mostly have very low grade blades. Every musket, rifle, display machine gun, machine gun parts set or gun sold by IMA, Inc is engineered to be inoperable according to guidelines provided by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF). signed or not has little to do with determining if it is handmade or the age of the blade. C $1,999.99 . So many repros use Phillips or combination screws, especially on the saya. good condition, a few small patina streaks, nothing much, and firm There is a suspicion that this is a fake. Examine the hamon with a magnifying glass. I very much doubt that it would matter, but even someone with a repro would be able to use that information to create a fake. The position of the number on the blade, configured to be read with the cutting edge down, identifies the sword as having been produced by the Tokyo Arsenal (The only other source for the Type 95 sword was the Nagoya arsenal, which impressed the number on the blade in such a way that it is read with the cutting edge facing up). There are numerous most certainly mean the blade is handmade. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. October 27, 2017 in Military Swords of Japan. Is the blade sharpened all the way to the base where it joins the hilt? The Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword is one of the most reproduced / faked swords in the world, be warned. I'm reposting the pictures of the fake pattern 5 that Stegel provided in the wooden handled topic just to have them all together. Let's sum up. I recently took the plunge and made my first Japanese sword purchase. The saya Identification Most swords do not have matching numbers because somewhere along the life of the sword the scabbard was changed. WW II era machine made swords have an etched temper line, not a true temper line (hamon) made Overall the fit and finish is definitely far above a replica, which can be seen in the photos. See how many more you can pick! Japanese swords will have a visible grain in the steel of the blade. Upload or insert images from URL. Yes, those are strangely too perfect and not a recognized font. Machine made blade is good condition. Most soldiers and citizens surrendered their swords to the American occupying forces. Authorized for production in 1935, the Type 95, commonly referred to as the NCO sword was all-machine made unlike the more expensive and higher-quality Officer's sword. I agree and have never been able to put it into words like you just did. A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. Most sword canes were produced in the late 19th Century - early 20th Century. I admit that I've had to look at it a couple of times. As the tang rusts and ages, these become progressively smoother and less distinct. Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. in WW II military mounts. Even the once "lowly" type 95 NCO sword has started to command high prices. For more recent exchange rates, please use the. Sword canes (Shikomi-zue) mostly have very low grade blades. Man just crazy all the fakes and how great this sight is about telling how to spot them .many thanks for posting to help us out. The blade must be examined in its entirety and not judged solely Today I checked, just in case the sword was pulled from sale, and lo and behold there is a 'rare copper handle' now listed, clearly of the same manufacturer. General McCarthur did not want the general population to be able to arm again. Hi all,while I'm sure our members know how to pick a fake NCO, I wanted to share these.http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=277http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=276&zenid=qot0424cgushvekob07rapkkq2The really disappointing part is that I informed the site owner about the first sword and provided a comprehensive list of indicators the sword is not genuine. military type swords are also being reproduced today. Hi there what would you expect to pay for a aluminium handled no 3 sword with some blade staining/surface rust and a dentless scabbard with some surface rust? Look at the bohi at the kissaki and the arsenal marks are terrible! Be sure to read Reproductions and Fakes. Brass hilt. There are two NCO late stage on Ebay now. Agree with others had to study it for a bit, since it is not an obvious reproduction - but at the end of the day, it has issues! The original thread is gone and buried somewhere and this, Saw these photos of a fake Type 95. Sword steel of the army standard , Blade length: 83.6, Curvature: 1.35, machine made, tempering in oils, with a fuller and no Hamon, Overall length: 100.2, Made in the Tky Artillery Arsenal Type 32 Gunt is a government supply noncommissioned officer sword enacted in 1889 (August 23, Meiji 32). There is not much more complicated (and valuable) as ROLEX watches. The Phillips screw was only patented in 1932, and hadn't caught on in most of the world by WWII. NEVER CLEAN THE TANG OF A JAPANESE SWORD OR TAMPER WITH IT IN ANY WAY!!! Real swords, decorative, historical, fantasy; humor, social, ID requests, shopping help, art; all sword-related topics are welcome (we are not very strict about topicality)! to another sword / scabbard. Because it's really quite a nice repro, thought I'd better share it here as for reference. Blade is 26 1/4 inches long, with an overall length of 36 1/4inches. Given the large jump in value that NCO swords have experienced in the last few years and given how relatively easy it is to copy something that is cast and milled without a lot of hand work involved, I think it is only a matter of time, and not much time at that, before the fakes are indistinguishable from the real thing. The fuchi collar at the base of the grip bears three stamped marks, these being the marks of the Iijima Copany, the group that manufactured the blade within the Tokyo Arsenal; the inspection stamp of the Imperial Army unit within the Tokyo arsenal that inspected the sword; and the Tokyo Arsenal identification stamp. Matching serial numbers 31123. Most swords do not . Showing an average amount of wear throughout, this Japanese Type 95 NCO Shin-Gunto is a beautiful example throughout. IMA works diligently to be aware of these ever changing laws and obeys them accordingly. Swords with carved bone handles and scabbards are So all of these swords are offered on egun.de, schwertshop.de and other german sellers. by differential tempering of the blade. This was a tough one! It now takes an expert to tell the difference between a Chinese $25 copy ROLEX and the real deal, right down to the automatic movement. system works well. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. And even if your intentions are completely legitimate, the "bad guys" are still out there and could read this post. a "real" sword and certainly not an antique. The above items are only a general guide. It's a reissued one like one in Fuller & Gregory's book. I do not think they will be able to make a perfect fake as there are too many small details right down to the materials used. locking mechanism works very well. Short fuller. I thought it would be a good idea to post a few old pictures of mine where I highlighted the considerable differences between Type 95 swords. That's why I addressed here. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. this rare early solid copper handled sword, serial number 631 is all matching and it is also one of the very few known to exist that still has the original leather tassel hanger (saru-te). Newer swords will have a grey, metallic tang perhaps with a little red rust. I have been asked this many times at shows, from dealers and buyers. iaito (iai practice sword)? In very good condition, an early WW2 1935M (Type 95) Japanese The tsuba is the plain style utilized on NCO swords. Tokyo First Arsenal blade numbers. There are collectors in China, and if they need more, they can buy them. They are unfortunately getting pretty good now. The Mechanix of Auto, Aviation, Militarypert near anything I feel relates to mechanical things, places, events or whatever I happen to like. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. About 80,000 of the Ko sabers were produced between 1899 and 1936, with the lowest reported serial number being 1175 and the highest one being 83390. These items are of Further Always check. There's a technical term for it in Australia. General McCarthur did not want the general population to be able to arm again. The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. This thread is quite old. There are stories that the small papers between the handle wrap (ito) and in the hilt. from China NCOs will progress into the minefield of German militaria in the next couple of decades. There are strategies in place with most countries Customs and Border protection to seize and destroy fake watches, handbags, CD's DVD's etc, but swords are not even on the RADAR. Sometimes they get irate. The great majority of these swords are made of carved bone, not ivory. This prevents the sword from falling when the soldier is running. This sword is actually pictured on page 191 of Dawson . Most soldiers and citizens surrendered their swords to the American occupying forces. The serial number, 31278, and arsenal stamp are marked above the bohi (fuller). But it would really help to see that. There are so many. A number of opinions have been provided, some with hints of the issues. Have a 3rd pattern nco Tokyo First Army Arsenal inspection mark "To" stamping serial number 141882 and wanted to know a possible year dating on that number range cheers Phil Quote Name: Stu W Posted March 7, 2014 Hi Phil, the market. Funny story Paul. Original Item: Only One Available. and scabbards were frequently separated and ended up being "married" This would fool most entry level guys. Real swords only had flat-head screws. This product is available for international shipping. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade.
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