Im reading these blogs and Im thinking to my self, what does this article have to do with irish slaves? Black Irish rebrands after Mariah Carey spat - The Spirits Business Sullivan is the 92nd most popular surname in the United States and the third most common surname in Ireland . The turnover would not be that high if whites treated enslaved blacks with even a modicum of kindness. Although I reject the implications of these labels, for the sake of the argument and simplicity, Ill continue to use them. Thank you. Giving in exchange for a debt that was owed to my grandfather, he didnt want anyone to know his family history, did you know there were Germans who were held in prison in N.Orleans La. They always had a love-hate relationship with blacks and were quick to terrorize backs to prove their whitness. I never learned the whole story of how though unrelated, both husbands had the same Irish surname. Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) about Irish surnames. One of the most famous people with the surname Burke is American actor Robert Burke. An indentured servant has the chance to earn their freedom, a slave does not. So stupid its almost funny, but instead its depressing cuz its so ignorant and shows how gullible these liberal assholes are, just looking for someone elses cause to bear cuz they gotta help those poor, downtrodden folks recover their true histories, and file a lawsuit against the government so they can assimilate into modern society and buy organic and get a job in IT or in the arts or a good non-profit..fuck you. Reblogged this on familytreegirldotcom and commented: Today black people are assimilated into western culture, et slavery hasnt ended. Ever wonder why those hillbillies talk funny? So whats my point; well its not to minimize the history of Black slaves. They were abused and belittled for being Irish and Catholic; they were considered worthless and heathenbut they were seen as worthless and heathen *humans*, at a time when being heathen was a much bigger deal than it is now, even while being traded as property. But have you ever stopped to think about where it originates? The Vikings bestowed upon themselves the title of the dark invaders or black foreigners. Over the centuries, Ireland has seen much change, with invasion by the Anglo-Normans in the 12th century, followed by British colonisation in the 16th/17th century moments which significantly shaped our history. The phrase "Black Irish" has been in use for hundreds of years, and several brands of Irish whiskey. Irish family names can tell stories, too. ? Irish slaves suffered as much as black people did so they married each other?? There is much debate over the original meaning of the term black Irish. Slavery is not the problem we have to endure. Oh and as part of an undergraduate class on American History of Business, I spent a significant portion of that class looking at actual microfilm of ads for at first, RUNAWAY INDENTURED SERVANTS in the USA and had to evaluate what changed in those ads for runaways as the business of getting help changed from INDENTURED temporary workers to ENSLAVED PROPERTY owned by those placing ads. The most Kelley families were found in USA in 1880. The master, overseer, slave driver and all of their male relatives or any white male visiting a plantation for business purposes could access any black woman and rape her. Famous Doyles include writer and creator of Sherlock Holmes Arthur Conan Doyle, and novelist and screenwriter Roddy Doyle. Murphy (56648) 2. Blacks where all over the world. Actress Betty White is one of the most famous people with this surname. The Counter-Revolution of 1776: slave resistance and the origins of the United States of America. And yes, it is as long as its title.Im still trying to wade through it. Anyway, this was a great read. Donohue Irish. The native Gaelic ODubhdaleithe Sept of County Cork also sometimes anglicized their name as Dudley, as well as the more usual Dowdall. By the mid-19th century, Connor was the most common variant of this name. Why do we continue to ignore the pain of others? Also the codification of slavery based on race and as a condition of the mother did not fully take effect until the 1700s. My grandmother had told me this when I was a little girl, If you come from a family who is of mixed race, and they know the old family school and is not afraid to tell you, cause this was known but your not suppose to talk about it..but I always knew cause of the red hair, but eyes and freckles..the freckles are a sure sign my grandma would say..I learned sp much from her said she wasnt allowed to talk are educate anyone of it, once my grandfather died she told everything..she was a Creole borne in Baton Rouge La. They were opposed by the native Irish (as they still are today), and as compensation given land and status in the New World. Top 100 Irish surnames 1. It is also possible that within the various Irish cultures that became established in America that there was a pecking order, a class system that saw some of their countrymen labeled as "black.". Again get creditable sources!!!!!!!! Read Whence the Black Irish of Jamaica by Joseph R Williams. Murphy 2. If they existed they were unenforceable because Irish did not have to change their race to blend in and be accepted. Paris Donnatella is an avid writer and traveller. Everyone google irish slavery is a myth and tell me who its written by or sourced byyou got it it Liam Hogan.yes he is one of the millions of English trying to deny our history!!!!!!! Who where these owners? Extract from the book, A Journey from Bridgetown to Belfast Where they were made to feel unwelcome, they headed for the hills, which is why we have the Appalachian populations, and others like them, populating those hills to this day. There were school busses, city busses in which I stood my ground my grandmother let me be she was not of color ,but she wasnt white nor racist.. It is derived from the Gaelic Conchobhair (descendant of Conchobar "lover of hounds"). Also Indians are not Asians either. Indeed, they legitimately had reasons for their grievances too. As far as Slavery in jail(BS) They can do their time sitting in their cells doing nothing or they can work to earn money for the commissary or to help pay money they owe to the people or places on which they committed their crimes. Best we can all do is read. Some of us blow it off, move on, and create a better life for our families. Why cant we acknowledge all the suffering that occurred without saying whose may have been more painful. Great article. In fact, many of today's common Irish names have origins in Gaelic, Celtic, or Norse languages. My ancestors great great great great great grandparents, one French, one black, moved to new Orleans together (after his wife died) and owned slaves. Example, the habitual practice of African slaves being thrown off ships in transit and subsequently drowned/murdered , so slave owners could claim insurance. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat. Not all Africans in America descend from slaves. This forced labour was in essence an extension of the English Poor Laws, e.g. Enough is enough. If the Irish were the easiest way to fill the positions needed to produce agricultural quotas then they would be used. Read up on the potato famine. Why because only blacks get to claim such horrible treatment of their people? When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. In 1839, Britain finally decided on its own to end its participation in Satans highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. Just like her arguing the distinction between different slave treatments. How about the Hellenic slaves in Sparta who were not only slaves but hunted and killed by Spartans in training. Black Name Meaning English and Scottish: chiefly from Middle English blak (e) 'black' (Old English blc blaca) a nickname given from the earliest times to a swarthy or dark-haired man. As far as the name changes it was probably due to pronunciations not so much of stripping the names, doubt the traders/owners cared either way, whatever would be easiest. Obviously African-Americans had it worse if you look at it in a way where most of their race went into slavery.yes, their own people were involved in the slave trade..but again Im just stating facts!!!! Dont continue to nourish the seeds of bigotry by oversimplifying complicated historical issues and happenings into Blacks and Whites or any other shade of color. One generation after another. Weird! Where they not slaves in labour camps? Here is the thing though, when they hooked up with Africans to rebel, Bacons Rebellion, they struck a deal with the English colonists to become the slave patrols and plantation overseas. Instead of having to round up the rebellious and often unreliable Irish, the African trade was already packaged and ready for sale. So ran another search on that and got this: http://www.libraryireland.com/names/od/o-dubhdaleithe.php. Dubhthaigh, anglicized to Duffy, comes from an Irish name meaning black or swarthy. One of the most famous McLoughlins is author and television presenter Coleen Rooney (neMcLoughlin). Thanks for trying to provide some historical fair play to the memory of Irish Slaves.). Therefore, this preposterous on-going debate only goal is to keep the Blacks monopolizing the atrocious history of slavery. There has been slavery of some form for as long as humans have been homosapiens. 100 Irish surnames explained,Irish Genealogy,Irish coats of arms,How to In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers. The Irish Catholics did not not migrate voluntarily to the Americas until the 1850s when the Irish Potato Famine hit their country. Its a shame that people can create whole new histories. On This Day: Arthur Guinness, founder of the Dublin brewery, died in 1803. And of course, if youre starving, and there are no jobs anywhere, and theres no healthcarewell, what difference does it make if youre not enslaved? No Irish Catholic had the right to own land in Ireland. Even though our histories converged and should have caused extended cooperation between the groups, Irish Americans have become stereotyped as extreme racists. Were Irelands Viking invaders high on hallucinogenic herbal tea? But I digress; apparently what Chloes real point is by this previous statement is that, when/if Whites talk about how a part of their race was oppressed and enslaved at one point in history that it somehow diminishes and lessens the Blacks slave history and only serves to to make Whites feel better about them-selves. Famous OConnors include singer Sinad OConnor, novelist Flannery OConnor, and retired United States Associate Justice of the Supreme Court Sandra Day OConnor. The KKK was waning so they turned their hatred back to the Irish. From what I understand, the African slaves didnt have or use last names during that time period. Well, invasion, land stealing and slaughter have a good 800 year history in Ireland. Yes, why were the Less valued Irish allowed to keep their last names, But Blacks were completely stripped of everything, even their identity. Donovan Irish. who wants to admit that, its not something to be proud ofin fact irish people when they arrived as immigrants in the late 1800s ..after the irish slavery of the 1600s in New England and Virginia, South Carolina,etc.they were given guns to go fight a war right after they landed, literally!!!!! Irish version of McFadden = MacPidn, Irish version of McDonald = MacDhmhnaill. It's a playful invitation to receive a kiss from someone who identifies as Irish or who is . get your facts right, [] Why blacks have Irish last names. Second, how does the Civil War, even if it were just about slavery, diminish the atrocities of slavery, war, and maltreatment of the Irish? It is not a contest it is a reminder that many people suffered under the ruling monarchies of England. Interesting read. if you go to a protestant area in belfast they are putting polish and africans out of the area. This article is not stretching the truth, it is flat-out lying to you. In its conception, Ireland was made up of kin groups or clans. You could have provided the information minus the dishonest comparison if the facts of the story are accurate. If so then wheres the genetic descendantcy of white besides the colonizing unaltered British or whatever bloodline in the West Indies today? https://www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/%E2%80%98irish-slaves%E2%80%99-convenient-myth. ^ this. Unlike Africans, Irish indentured servants could buy their way out of slavery. It is striking, though, how this tale is very similar to the ancient Irish legend of the Milesians who settled in Ireland having traveled from Spain. Apparently its perfectly OK to disparage the Irish but dont make any bigoted remarks that could be interpreted as racist. This is a human issue, not a race one. Some people wallow in the past and stay the victim. A total of 455,000 Africans out of 12.5 million were brought to America from the 17th century till it stopped in 1820. But we still must take into consideration that the Irish were hated for being Catholics, and that this was the main reason behind making them into slaves. Disgusting lies like this are akin to Holocaust Denial, and its no surprise that one of the authors circulating this myth, Michael Hoffman, is in fact an outspoken Holocaust Denier. My great great great great grandfathers name is the same as mine. O'Rourke Irish spelling: Ruairc Meaning: Descendent of Ruarc, King of Brifne (an area including counties Leitrim and Connacht). They are lowland Scots (not highlanders, more English in their culture. I thought it was funny when he came out with this B.S. [], We took slaves too, St Patrick was a slave! It would be interesting to know why they are attracted to each other. 50+ Popular Irish Last Names To Connect You To Your Inner Paddy Why arent those of Irish slavery equally claiming discrimination or expecting reparations? They are the dregs of the white race. America was named after another so-called white man by the name of Amerigo Vespuci. http://www.irishcentral.com/news/first-lady-michelle-obamas-irish-slave-owner-roots-are-revealed-159341955-237511041.html So, in a nutshell, after killing millions in an engineered genocide in Ireland, the ruling class developed a conscience suddenly and Irish people got full human status in Antigua? Yeah, well done Harrison, first bit I read about James IIs proclamation 8 years before he was even born cracked me up! Indentured is a form of slavery. It's quite popular in Scotland. OBrien has been a prominent surname in Ireland for centuries. Youll find that most often the enslaved are identified by age and gender only. And it seems that this strategy to retitle oneself to reveal ones stance or clan was a popular thing to do. Is a Black slave with an Irish father any less Irish than African? I do know my last name Orr is Scottish Irish but I dont know much else. It does not, however, change the fact that the *numbers* of Irish taken and sold into indenturehood or outright slavery in this article are not born out by any factual evidence. Top 100 Irish Surnames From Each County In Ireland Blacks do not collectively own a patent on cruel slavery. We are, however, disputing the numerical facts posited in this article. Impregnating Black slaves was a way to increase the wealth of the slave owners. The surname Black was first found in Lincolnshire where they held a family seat from very ancient times, some say well before the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Duke William at Hastings in 1066 A.D. The black people of today are not harmed by the slavery of decades ago any more than I (an Irish-American) or any other Irishmen are. For example, I am irish and my name in Irish is Aine Maire OFallanhaim, but it was Anglicized to Ann Marie Fallon by the British. I think slavery regardless of color is disgusting and shameful, but even more is to come out of slavery and help the oppressor with the same oppression that was previously placed upon you. Personally, I am offended not by the story and the facts, but by the dishonest comparison. Yes they did. They resented having to serve in the civil war and dis honored black soldiers but they fly Confederate flags proudly. The article highlights the horrors that happened, The extent of which is nightmarish. The more I think about this article, the sadder I become knowing that most of you believe its lies. The slaves that came over from Ireland where already black. that because they werent born into chattel their plight isnt worth acknowledgement. And when the draft riots kicked off in New York city a lot of those Irish and Italians turned their hatred and attention on the African Americans!!! Britains solution was to auction them off as well. Likewise, what makes all Blacks the same? Tim the first Commodore of the Ciast Gusrd. Judging history, or whole groups of people through myopic glasses is not only intellectually dishonest but harmful in the modern practice of superimposing everything over the wrongs of the past. Do you know where you Irish surname came from? Again, just a guess. Please describe discrimination that you personally face everyday? Some say they came from the Spanish Armada. The term 'Black Irish' gets thrown around from time to time. The Anglo-Saxon offspring he openly acknowledged. Adam and Eves bloodline was where JESUS came through, if people only knew this all this hatred for each other skin color would not exist. FYI: Themselves need not be hyphenated by the way just saying. Maybe in a generalized way, but can never say for each individual. Get your heads out of your collective asses and out of all those others. The Central Statistics Office regularly records Walsh as one of the most common surnames in Ireland. A quick review of Irish history reveals that the island was. Early Origins of the Black family. Most of these people in america are full of hate poisoned by their governments through their food, water and air. I assume many of the ones the worked side by side with the Irish slaves used their last name in hopes of not being made to take the slave owners name. In America and even somewhat in Europe, Black skinned people enjoy a monopoly of the history slavery and its oppressive effects. This is a damn sight different than chattel slavery. The Irish in this group would be the ones who were protestant (sometimes referred to as Scot-Irish) and were pro-England. They can still go back to Ireland and see where they came from and even meet distant cousins. After the Armada of 1588, Spanish soldiers married Irish women and integrated into society. One of them reached his 7 year mark, and went to work on another mans farm. American football quarterback Tom Brady is the most famous person with the name Brady. Abraham Agan Agnew Ahearn Ahern Aherne Anglim Anglin Ansbro Argue Armstrong Art Ashe Athey Athy Baldwin Balfe Ballagh Bane Banfield Banfill Debating its distinctions is appalling and only has in place in academia and never in culture or politics. Lynch 18. I think the more realistic story of how many Blacks got Irish last names is that there were rich Irish who owned slaves too. Google how and why enslaving whites/Christians was outlawed in the U.S. Im not going to do the research for you. Irish were indentured servants,which lasted 7 years. There are good apples and bad apples in every group of people, and people tend to do things based on more local things than racial ideology. According to Irish history, the Maguires held Fermanagh from the 13th to the 17th centuries. http://www.irishsurnames.com/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?name=dudley&capname=Dudley&letter=d. Oh my, I never heard about this. Reblogged this on Simply Etta D. and commented: First, there was intermarriage in early America before slavery. The difference being, that African Americans are one of the oldests ethnic groups in America, and the majority of Irish being relatively new. These are not the same. You did not cite any sources and Id love to research even further. Its a shame that Whites and Blacks who were both subjected to British Imperialism have such trouble relating to each other because of the culturally enforced color-lines weve all be assimilated into. The pirates let the Irish Gaels go free. Saying that the Irish were treated worse because they were Catholic might be so on the occasional individual basis, but as a group, they didnt have their history, their names, and even the memories of their religions and homelands stripped from them. Updated in 2022. Irish slavery is *not* a myth, nor is it a lie. What Oliver Cromwell did in Ireland was a genocide. Shame on you. Not only are the facts part of the story but so is the comparison. The large wave of Irish immigrants to the US in the 19th century has no direct lineage with the Barbados group, were granted the status of whiteness very early, and were actively involved in violent attacks on Blacks, Asians and other ethnic groups competing for jobs. But, are we talking about African slavery? But this example is of the opposite. They dont even notice it (MEAN). Over centuries, as groups arrived and fled, ancient Ireland began to take shape. We must stop perpetuating that the Irish were slaves, it is a fallacy. What is Black? What do we see here? Protestants believed that all Races came from one source. So with that in mind I guess history allready was rewritten in favour of the British Oh, and by the way, my Irish ancestors fought for the North at Gettysburg, for three hundred dollars and a ticket out of Ireland. Thanks for this fascinating post. Famous Kellys include actor and director Gene Kelly, 20th-century artist Ellsworth Kelly, and actress and Princess of Monaco Grace Kelly. [] Source: How Blacks have Irish Last Names []. Irish victims are not victims enough? However, Ireland considers itself a dual speaking country, so visitors can expect to see both English and Irish on public service signs and announcements. 'Black Irish' is often a description of people of Irish origin who had dark features, black hair, dark complexion and eyes. This is nothing new, look throughout recorded human history at every time one group has oppressed several other groups rather than unite as brothers-in-arms and the oppressed groups turn against each other in the hopes of receiving their masters favour. Could the Irish in specific have something to do with what the most High is doing in (phisical) (black) Israel? "Can't beat a good Irish pub" - David Beckham celebrates son's birthday in Dublin, UPDATE: Alex Murdaugh sentenced to life in prison for murdering wife and son, WATCH: Irish bishop's funeral held in Los Angeles today, Liam Neeson, Michael D Higgins and Bono among voices featured on "Patrick Kavanagh Almost Everything'", Rita OHare passes a mighty voice for justice is stilled, Brian Donnelly, Irish American visa hero, has died. Slavery, in any oppressive, dehumanizing form is wrong! Do you not believe that the Irish people suffered for centuries under British domination ? The word 'Cearmaid' comes from Old Irish and is probably a combination of 'ciar' (black) and 'madra' (dog), thus meaning a 'black dog.' 23. There really is no comparison! White people can treat their own quite horribly, history tells. I think the Scots are the OMallys and OConners and the like.. Kelly is Scotland argyle or Ayrshire area originated there just like Kyle does. (Thanks to Mike McCormick of the. the Germans claimed that no Jews were being murdered but they were lying too. If you cant even get that right!!!! A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. Also, many black women were impregnated on the slave ships and were pregnant by the time they reached the Americas. Hardly slavery, its a choice. I got my answer. naturally, that population mixed in with the newly arrive slave blacks as well as the indigenous blacks. Famous people with this surname include singers James Brown and Chris Brown. However, Black slaves were oppressed intellectually, religiously and physically if they attempted to escape or did anything wrong. The reason why African-Americans have irish last names is literally because of the English men, they rounded up thousands upon thousands of irish enslaved woman, so they could breed more expensive slaves..yes, there you go!!! Was that what drove the slave trade in the last millenia? The naming game where did the term 'Black Irish' come from? However, it is likely that they never lost their status as dark invaders or black foreigners. Was there a negative view of the non romanized world, by the nations of that empire? Some sources propose that the term is in reference to Spanish soldiers. Surname Origin Irish Last Names Irish Last Names L. Elizabeth Forry Updated: July 29, 2022 Find your Irish last name and learn about its meaning and origins on this list of popular Irish surnames. Sharing in everyday culture and identity, as well as ancestry, human presence on the Emerald Isle dates back some 12,500 years, according to archaeological studies. Famous owners of the name include actresses Debby Ryan and Meg Ryan, and comedian Katherine Ryan. In short, when enslaving Christians became illegal in North America, some of the newly freed white slave became slave owners and overseers. Please advise. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. Thanks 4 Sharing I Got My DNA I have 21% Irish blood and My last Name is Sharp its good 2 know but its still so much hatred in the world.!! It is a shallow attempt and more nonsense than anything. Even to this day many still believe that Irish slavery only affected a few thousands. The notion that plantation owners fathered most mixed children is also false. The Africans were considered less than apes, incapable of learning, and the forced inter-breeding with the Irish women was eventually made illegal because it was considered an abomination to force even the least among White women to copulate with an animal. The same empire, including the Spanish and French, therefore, initiated the slave trade in North America. There were no Irish people born in America as a slave based on their mother being a slave..
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